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jennifercatto Member Posts: 5 |
posted 20 January 2010 11:11 AM
  
I am researching my husband's family. His grandfather was Thomas Harvey born in Armaghbreague. How do I pronounce this name? Is it a small town and where is it located? Is it reknown for anything (ie industry produce etc) in particular? Any information will be gratefully received, thank you, ------------------ IP: Logged |
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enfield Moderator Posts: 529 |
posted 20 January 2010 05:46 PM
Armaghbreague in Irish is ard Macha breug, and means the ‘false’ Armagh. Breug in Irish means the deceiver or the lie and denotes the non-true Armagh. I am not sure why it is called that. It is a large townland of 2,895 acres in the Parish of Lisnadill in County Armagh in the province of Ulster.Perhaps Pete will have more information for you. Regards. Tom. IP: Logged |
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Pete Schermerhorn Moderator Posts: 178 |
posted 20 January 2010 11:14 PM
Jennifer, I show the townland spelling as Armaghbrague, but I'm sure it's the same place. It is located about 9 miles south of Armagh town, along the A 29 regional road which connects Keady and Newtownhamilton. There is a Church of Ireland church in the townland. The Roman Catholic parish for this townland would be Ballymacnab. The townland is hilly and well-forested. Probably agricultural, and perhaps more suited to sheep than cattle, based on the topography. That's all I have on the place. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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enfield Moderator Posts: 529 |
posted 21 January 2010 07:36 AM
Pete is correct there are a few different spellings of it but I did not want to confuse things. Ardmaghbrague Armaghbrague Armaghbreague Regards. Tom. IP: Logged |
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enfield Moderator Posts: 529 |
posted 21 January 2010 07:37 AM
Pronounced arrrrr maaaaaa breeg IP: Logged |
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jennifercatto Member Posts: 5 |
posted 21 January 2010 11:59 AM
Many thanks for your replies Tom and Pete. My atlas doesn't have an entry for "Armaghbreague" of any spelling. Is there a Presbyterian Church in the area? and what is the nearest university? Cheers Jennifer IP: Logged |
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Pete Schermerhorn Moderator Posts: 178 |
posted 21 January 2010 09:46 PM
Re Presbyterian Congregations..... Brian Mitchell's book on Irish Churches and Graveyards, from 1990, is the source of the C. of I. church listing in Armaghbrague. The same Brian Mitchell, in his 2nd edition of A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland, from 2002, seems to have discovered a Presbyterian Congregation in the townland of Armaghbreague !!! At least, that's how the Presbyterians apparently spelled it [gr]. I can't account for the difference....unless the 1990 listing was in error (the book has a number of them) and Presbyterian was meant. Regarding universities..... I don't have a clue about universities in the North. The Discovery map 28B shows a "College" in Armagh town. That would certainly be the nearest possibility. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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alan clarke Member Posts: 2 |
posted 16 January 2011 02:19 PM
Hi I was born near Armaghbreague 80 years ago and I still have contacts there. The Harveys were well known in the area at one time but in recent years have died out. My sister in law has found four Harvey gravestones in the church yard of Armabreague Church of Ireland chirch. These date from the 1800's up until 1999. These people would almost certainly be related to your husband's ancester. The Breage as it is known locally (Breague rhymns will vague) is a rural area . The main occupation has been farming, a very tough existence because of the altitude. The church is 1300 feet ASL. In recent years many of the former farms have been given over for forestation. I hope this is of interest to youi. Queens University Belfast is about 50 miles away. Alan Clartke, Cheshire UK IP: Logged |
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jennifercatto Member Posts: 5 |
posted 17 January 2011 12:21 AM
Hi Alan I am delighted to get your response regarding Armabreague and the Harvey family. Thomas Harvey was my mother-in-law's father. He was a minister in the Prebyterian Church and served as a chaplain in the First World War, based in the UK. He was born June 25 1883 in Armabreague but the family moved at some time to Glasgow. We have no information at all about his parents, not even names, or whether he had any siblings and finding information is made more difficult because he only had one name. He came to Australia in 1910 in the hope of improving his very poor health and he commenced studies at Emmanuel College and was ordained in the Presbyterian Church in 1913. He worked in the church until 1932. In 1910 he married in Brisbane, Queensland, Elisabeth Fotheringham Tainsh, who came from Crieff Scotland but they must have met in Scotland. When his health deteriorated he and his wife moved back to Crieff and he died in 1948. It is good to know that the Harveys were known in Armabreaghue, and maybe there are baptisimal and death records at the church and the gravestones could give us a lead too. Kind regards Jennifer McLean, Ingleside NSW IP: Logged |
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tonyl Member Posts: 29 |
posted 18 January 2011 03:16 PM
Hi Jennifer, Trevor R. Geary published a history of Armaghbreague Presbyterian Church in 1997. There's a link on Google Books: Hope this helps, Tony IP: Logged |
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alan clarke Member Posts: 2 |
posted 25 January 2011 10:26 AM
Hi Jennifer Sorry about the typing errors in my last transmission!I have some more information from my sister-in-law which may help your research.The Armaghbreague church which the Harveys attended no longer has a resident Rector but is nowadays looked after by the Rector in the nearby town of Keady.He is the Rev John McClenaghan and his address is simply The Rectory,Keady,County Armagh,Northern Ireland.If you contact him he may be able to assist with baptismal records.The gravestones may not in themselves be much help because there were so many Harveys..there were certainly 2 or maybe 3 Harvey families living in the Breague at one time,all no doubt related. Good Luck! Alan IP: Logged |
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jennifercatto Member Posts: 5 |
posted 26 January 2011 12:03 AM
Hi Tony Thanks for your information. Unfortunately the book is out of print. Cheers Jennifer
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jennifercatto Member Posts: 5 |
posted 26 January 2011 12:10 AM
Hi Alan Many thanks for your information. Please also thank your sister in law on my behalf. I will write to the Rector at Keady and let you know if I get a result. Cheers Jennifer IP: Logged |
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