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igroves
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posted 20 June 2003 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for igroves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi All -

Can anyone tell me what Irish county Tullyselferty is or was in?

Irene

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enfield
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posted 21 June 2003 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for enfield     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a strange one. Even after searching in out of date names this townland did not come up, nor even anything close to it and the only information on the net are your own postings. If this is the real spelling it beats me. All I can tell you is that Tully is a root word and used mainly in the Northern Counties i.e. Monaghan, Tyrone, cavan, Fermanagh, Meath,Down, Sligo, Armagh.etc More rarely used in counties below these.
Tully means the Little hill or Hillock.
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posted 21 June 2003 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for igroves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enfield -

Thanks for the info. I had a feeling that this might be the case. This name shows up as the birthplace of a possible rellie. Hopefully the person giving me this connection can provide more info. Like maybe info from an actual birth record. Thanks again.
Irene

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posted 22 June 2003 12:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pete Schermerhorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The townland of Tullyshelferty is in Kilmore civil parish, Co. Monaghan. It is about four and a half miles SSE of Monaghan town. It should be shown on Discoverer map 28, but the NI maps are grossly inferior to the Discovery ones, as regards identification of townlands. If it were shown on the map, it would be at about 690 270, just NE of Radrum. Sorry I didn't get to this earlier, but I'm just back from a month in rainy Ireland.

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Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of Western Massachusetts

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posted 22 June 2003 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enfield     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pete my compliments!! finding that was a real cracker, how did you find it? What was your source?
regards.
Tom.

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posted 22 June 2003 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for igroves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pete -
Thanks a heap. This info is great. My connection to this info as so far only been able to tell me it was in Co. Monaghan. Knowing where exactly is great.
And, thanks to you, too, Enfield. You of unflagging assistance.
You guys are both great.
Irene

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Pete Schermerhorn
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posted 22 June 2003 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pete Schermerhorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom,
I'm not sure I should be cluttering-up this website with the various schemes I use to locate Irish townlands......but, what the hell, it's only words - not life and death.

For several years, I have been helping subscribers of various county genealogy mailing lists from the Republic find various townlands, etc. I joined these lists as a means of gleaning some historical information (I don't do any genealogy) about places of interest to me - I make regular trips to Ireland to photograph Early Christian (and a bit of Romanesque medieval, too) sites. But things turned around. Although I still do "my" thing, I found myself acquiring more source material for helping others in their quests - very unlike me to be eleemosynary however, I'm afraid.

I have since acquired all of the Discovery Series maps, whatever Discoverer maps I need to complete the coverage of the Republic, the full set of 169 Townland Index maps which show all of the townland boundaries in the lower 26 counties........and I have the entire Townland Listings from the mid-1800's on convenient Excel files. So I'm pretty well set. Oh yes, and I projected transparencies of the county civil parish maps onto the Discovery maps with my photo enlarger and traced-in (with a highlighter) all of the CP borders, to quicken my searches for townlands.

In the particular case in question, I just went to the late John Broderick's seanruad.com website, and entered Tully in the search engine - checking "beginning with" in the box. I got, as I recall, 588 Tully-related townlands, but was able to quickly scan down until Tullyshelferty appeared. Then to Brian Mitchell's "A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland" for the civil parish location, then to the Discoverer map (where it doesn't appear) and then to the Townland Index maps (where it does). Referring back to the Discoverer map, I then placed it. Simple. And surprisingly quicker than all of the time it took me to describe the process !!!!!

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igroves
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posted 23 June 2003 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for igroves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pete -

I hate to be such a bother. . . .oh, who am I trying to kid? I'm female. That's what we do best. giggle
All joking aside, is there any chance that you could email either the map for Tully-- to either this site, or my personnal email?
igroves@sbcglobal.net
I have a feeling that I'm going to need it, as I think a good share of my paternal rellies were from there originally, rather than England as we always thought.
Anyway, I sure would appreciate it if you could email the Co. Monaghan map, or at least that part that we've been talking about. So far, I haven't gotten into the mapping aspect myself. Yet.

Many thanks, again,
Irene from Central California

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posted 23 June 2003 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enfield     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/baronies.htm

and http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/fuses/civilparish/index.cfm?fuseaction=GetMap&CityCounty=Monaghan

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posted 23 June 2003 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for igroves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enfield -
Thank you muchly. I'm beginning to think the Irish folk are amoung the nicest and most helpful.
Irene in California

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posted 23 June 2003 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enfield     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anything to help.

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posted 24 June 2003 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for enfield     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

It really must be a very small place because
there are now only 4 households in Tullyshelferty. If you wish to contact them they are;
Name: Connolly A
Address: Tullyshelferty Dunraymond
Directory Area: 04
Type: Residential
Telephone Number: 042-9744946
Name: McMahon Ml
Address: Tullyshelferty Dunraymond
Directory Area: 04
Type: Residential
Telephone Number: 042-9744308

Name: McMahon Owen
Address: Tullyshelferty Dunraymond
Directory Area: 04
Type: Residential
Telephone Number: 042-9744117

Name: McMahon Patk
Address: Tullyshelferty Dunraymond
Directory Area: 04
Type: Residential
Telephone Number: 042-9744119
There are no GROVEs there now.

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igroves
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posted 24 June 2003 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for igroves     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Enfield -
Thanks for the additional info. I'm going to check my records and see if any of the boarders listed in the GARVIN and GROVES households share these names.
Irene
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